There is a move around the MIP boards to support each other, to keep in touch.
This is the healthy framework I sought in my journey- where i grappled with my codependency issues.
I may never be a regular member here but will support those who choose to meet here, the respect the integrity of CODA.
It was introduced to the codependency idea pretty early on in my recovery. I believe that i was one of the first men to
start to come to terms with the issue.
The gals in my Alanon group formed a separate group to read and discuss the book- "Women Who Care Too Much" by Robin Norwood.
I got a copy of the book too, and read it on my own. Following on the gal-group began to work through Melody Beatties' two books
on codependency. And I followed suit.
In recent times I really soaked up Bob E's talk on Self-Esteem. In this he implies, at least for himself, as an addict that an underlying
sense of codependency was a strong part of his illness. Only one person- and I could not draw conclusions from this.
So, how do you think I am going- am I keeping 'on-topic' for a share on this board?
The key, and the aim, I think is to be open and receptive to and from others... not to make too many assumptions....
To become self- aware- of my own wants and needs. Not to be dragged back to my own deep sense of abandonment- to be self-sustaining...
-thanks for the share, and thanks for reading through! ...
Okay, so I dined out on your first posting all day yesterday...
I read again yesterday... and decided you were responding-
at pains to believe that I have had some recovery- and this should show up on the CODA board... ...
but yes I was scapegoated bady... it showed up especially when dad died and I was actually disinherited and dumped.
After years of effort trying to hold things together... which I did do- economically too!!!
If we crawl out of our bunkers... like you will have I have a library of self- help books sitting at my shoulder...
each thinked had something to add- but my own personal response... here you have it... ...
Sure. Any recommended resources are appreciated and will be acknowledged. Stories here and there are helpful. I am not alone, what do you know. A bit embarrassing at this late date, but oh well, I'm known for more bizarre things! And yes, I also think codependents and I believe counter - dependents too (who might not ever understand that such might be at the bottom of their trust issues), suffer from fear of abandonment, and it does not look the same in everyone. My sister is even more independent than I am in many ways and I am finding that she has it somewhat too as well as some of what might be co-dependent issues. She has a lot of pride and a bit of an inflated ego, (lol, can't we all have) so I am approaching things carefully and judiciously, but it is great to finally be able to talk about our past and family MO with her, and our developing positive relationship is a joy. We were isolated from each other and have avoided each other for most of our adult life (or at least I avoided her, not trusting her). I have actually tried to get her to understand that if I was screwed up, it was our upbringing, not because I am inherently battling.
I am sorry to read of your unacknowledged efforts and subsequent betrayal. I can see how far it might go for men, who could be considered to carry so much burden as their 'natural role,' and not to hurt like a human being. My husband taught me that, men cry too.
It is difficult to get over that kind of betrayal from family who is supposed to have loved us. Kath
... a quirky sense of humour, plus some bathos and pathos... might be a mark of progress...
ah see a cue here to listen and nod... ... maybe to add some ESH of my own,in a day or so... ...
Lots of strands and streams here to hold onto...
my relationship held together, and has become pleasant, much of the time... set against a massive shift towards equality towards all- in fact as well as spirit...
but going through all of that was fraught!
The moves towards gender and cultural equality seem to have stalled somewhat at the moment... maybe a breathing space?
I am still working through stored trauma issues, slowly... and I seem to be reviewing all the stuff I learned along the way... what was the most effective...?
I estimated that I needed 30 or 40 years of group work- at the usual pace. But here with MIP I felt that route was speeded up with back to back meeting time.
Being betrayed by our own parents... living in a rural community there were many compensations... not enough to forestall a revolting late teens and 20's... and series of seriously dysfunctional relationships... the dream the the car, the white picket fence and the mortgage- along with a sweet compliant you-know-who went straight out the window.
So I think there were trends out there that rank alongside the family.
Abandonment- rejection... and outright betrayal... I shunned my mum for three years... and she began to see why i was so pissed off... so i was on a happy state where we met eye to eye before she died... this was a saving grace...
In ACA we are taught to become our own loving parent... sometimes I doubt and question this... but sometimes I suspect the doubt and question phase is actually the way in... something we were unable to manoeuvre first time round... ???
I actually downloaded the CODA steps this afternoon... I always believe that if we do the steps in one programme- we get credit for prior learning if we move sideways- this one is always a personal judgement- building on some previous gains...
...just bin to a circus with SO and two grandkids... it was an acrobatic team from Mainland China... it was a delightful evening... I laughed and clapped.
Me? Oh yes... I have to pinch myself sometimes!!! ...
Hello SLS, welcome to the board
Music has been a big part of my life enhancing the joy, authenticating the angst, it is quite a form of communication, maybe one of the purest forms. I often go to it to reach my peace, to dance, to sing, to just listen, to go as deep inside as I can or to go out and share, to give it back, wanting others to share the bounty all around.
Did you write your song? You are quite a poet.
Addiction by its very nature is so self centered. "THAT NEXT FIX, THAT PAIN BEHIND NEEDING THAT FIX. Does anything else exist? I'll have one problem so I don't have to deal with all the problems of life others will have to deal with."
The big question is why do we self destruct in attempts to share another's self destruction. We are only human, not gods, and that humanity is a two way street. We can't save another if we are not saving ourselves from their destruction. We are here to help each other yes, not to help each other drown.
Alanon is a good place too. Lots of communication and posting going on there.
But keep coming back. Maybe someone else will join us for conversation.
another way of thinking about the idea of a higher power is "trust in the benevolence of the universe".Put your needs out there and live like what you need is important.
Keeping a diary is also a good way to keep track of the benevolence of the universe and how many things that you need have come to you.