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Sometimes in relationships, we come to a point where we realize that the relationship has become unhealthy and destructive to our emotional, physical, or spiritual well being. It is a painful realization, and often we try many things to try to make things work and hold on a lot longer than perhaps intellectually we know we should. Being in a toxic relationship often leads to feeling of low self worth, sadness, depression, and inertia. However, there comes a point where the pain of staying becomes enough motivation to make a change. Here are 3 steps to releasing a toxic relationship:

1. Honor your emotions. You had many good times with this person, and it is perfectly normal and all right to grieve the loss of the good times. Just remember that the situation was a package deal, and all the bad went along with all the good. Journal your feelings, talk them out with a counselor and/or friends, and cry when you need to. Facing the emotions and working through them is the best way to get past them.

2. Spend as much time around positive, uplifting, loving and supportive people as you can. You have been through a very traumatic event both in terms of the relationship as well as the experience of the break up. Process your emotions, but don't isolate yourself. Often a toxic partner criticizes and demeans you enough that your self esteem is really damaged. Being around positive and loving friends and family helps to reprogram the negative messages you've assimilated from your ex partner.

3. Take good care of yourself physically. Eat healthy food, take vitamins and supplements if needed, and exercise regularly. The more you can support your physical body, the more you stand to improve your emotional and mental state. Take time to honor yourself by taking care of yourself well. You deserve it.

By the way, what is holding you back from making the best choices to achieve the life you deserve?



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Hello John,

Thank you so much for that.  Learning to believe that I deserve more is part of the process of my recovery.  Learning to love myself and others for exactly who they are and not judge them.  The difficulty for me in learning to not judge others is to also set boundaries around how I will be treated and what I accept.  "I love you for exactly who you are and do not walk in your shoes but I can not have you in my life."  This feels like two opposing ideals and I have a hard time implementing it.  I also remember what others have given me and how much their love has helped me and think if I can offer that love to another, perhaps I can help them as well.  Perhaps I can help them learn to love themselves.  Yet I forget that as children need unconditional love tempered with discipline and boundaries ... for themselves and me ... I have to have boundaries in an intimate relationship for myself and my partner.  I can't "save" or "enable" anyone and have it work out well.  I can only love them.  I can still love them and say no.

Still practicing.  It takes work.  It takes some serious listening to my own heart and really looking at the other person's actions and not their words and seeing the truth.  Sometimes my fantasy is a much more comfortable place.



-- Edited by willing on Saturday 10th of September 2011 06:38:14 AM

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cry This really touches my heart because I have lost & have had to let go of everyone I've ever cared about. Growing up, my family life was filled with violence, alcoholism, and all kinds of abuse toward my mother and I. My parents were violent alcoholics who then were abusive to each other, me but not so much towards my sister (1/2 sister). I've been disinherited by both parents, cut off by my sister who recently inherited all that was my mom's as she died in Jan. Both of my sons have cut me off and I've lost 4 husbands. Three thought I was too sick to live with and the 4th suicided in 2006. I kept trying to fix things right up until the end. Even with my mom, I was determined to make our relationship work but she never believed in me. Now she's gone and I am trying to let go rather than keep beating a dead horse...no pun intended. I can't understand why I am so unlovable. 

But, it is SO hard for me to give up and let go. Right now I have no family and no friends. I've had severe depression, panic disorder and agoraphobia for years and years due to the traumas of childhood so I can't even get out of the house to do anything.  I've even lost my faith so I have a hard time getting past step 1. I can't think of a higher power than God. I'm finally seeing how toxic all these people have been...even my sons, one of which recently told me to go to hell. But how do you go on living when you've lost people you dearly love?? I'm stuck and so I'm cocooning. I try to sleep most of my time away other than spend the days crying. Codependency concepts really hit me hard when my mom died. I suddenly feel like a lost 3 yo and have lost the ability to function. I can't seem to organize my days or get my bills paid...stuff like that. I live in terror of dying because I'm about to turn 60 and as long as she was here I felt like she was my backup/protector. If she yelled at me for something then I knew I was probably ok. Now I can't even call and talk to her about anything. 

Geez, I am so lost right now!! I live in El Paso, TX which has no grief support groups, no 12 step groups and no counselors who deal with these issues. I was told it is beause the Hispanic population (99% of this area) keep things in the house and don't go out to others for help. I couldn't even find a suicide survivor support group when my husband died and had to go through all of that by myself. 

Any helpful ideas would be appreciated. I've lost interest in everything and even lost my appetite for the 1st time in 60 yrs.  I'm on meds. but I guess I'm over the edge right now. 

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Oh, and in response to your question about being held back...I don't even know what choices are out there to make that would help my life. And if I find something, then I can't get out of the house because of my agoraphobia which I can't seem to get beyond. I make plans and appts. but I reschedule 5 or 6 times or just don't go. I am intimidated by people and life in general. I don't feel like I deserve to even be here. I heard "you should be ashamed of yourself" so many times that I am totally ashamed of me. So I'd have to say that ignorance and lack of courage plus no self esteem are holding me back form even seeing new choices. 

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Hello Leandra,

I am so glad you found us.   I am sorry to hear you are hurting but am SO glad that you have reached out for help.  That is the first step, wanting to make a change.

I can relate a little, not to your extreme, but the agoraphobia is something I struggle with.  For me, it is simply isolation, but it can take over if I let it.  We don't usually give advice here ... so please just take this as a suggestion.  I did find some Al-Anon meetings in your area.  I couldn't find any CoDA or ACOA meetings, but Al-Anon is WONDERFUL.  The links are below.  If getting to them is too difficult perhaps you can call (or email) and tell them your situation, only as much as you are comfortable with, and see if someone would simply come talk with you.  Maybe on the front steps.  Then later, out in the yard.  Perhaps eventually you will become comfortable enough sharing recovery with somone that they will be able to help you get to a meeting.  Just a thought, an alternative.  The lovely thing I have found about recovery is that if I am willing to ask for help they are there for me.  I just have to ask.

Of course you have found a great resource here, available to you from the privacy of your own home at any hour you need it.  We understand and we care.  This program of recovery is about learning to love yourself and grabbing new tools to navigate your life and find peace and serenity.  We discuss those tools in-depth here and are available to answer any questions you may have. 

Below are the links for Al-Anon meetings in your area. 

EL PASO - Al-Anon/Alateen Info Serv (915-562-4083) PO Box 3489, 79923-3489, ElPasoAIS@gmail.com

http://www.nmal-anon.org/Meetings_ElPaso.htm

Please keep coming back.



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Oh, Leandra, thank you so much for your share.

I’ve got 2 failed marriages and 1 failed long term relationship in my belt (the last guy was smart enough to never make it legal and marry me.)  When relationship #3 fell apart, so did I.  I realized I had nothing.  Once he left and I didn’t have him to worry about and obsess over, I didn’t know how to live.  Worse, I didn’t know how to want to live without someone else “needing” me.  My parents’ divorce, (and big surprise here, my father abandoning us) was very hard on me growing up.  So, I was pretty scared about having children and bringing them into a big mess and I had always been very careful about birth control.  Now I’m 35 and completely alone, with no man and no kids, and no friends because I ran off every person that wouldn’t help me lie to myself while I was in my last relationship (I do have a puppy dog :), he is truly my bestest friend in the world).  People say that “there’s still time, 35 isn’t that old,” they are either lying or delusional.  They just don’t understand.  I can’t do it anymore.  I am a shell of the girl I used to be.   I lost #3 a year ago, and I still am not ready to date.  Putting Humpty-Dumpty back together again is going to take too long for my biological clock, which quite honestly is probably a good thing.  I’m an excellent dog-mama, but I shudder to think the damage I could inflict on a real child!!!

By this past February, I had finally hit my “rock-bottom.”  Before the break-up, I had been attending school full-time on student loans and grants (and getting straight A’s.)  Now I had flunked out of school and had no job and had put on 30lbs.  The only reason I didn’t lose my house is that I had really nice people that lived next to me and they helped me get the place rented so I could make the payment on it.  I loaded up my truck  and my 2 dogs and moved several hundred miles “back home” to the state I grew up in and where my little sister currently lives.  I rented a room out of her basement and started looking for work.  I put on 20lbs more, and spend most of my time wishing I’d had the guts to kill myself instead of coming to my sister’s. 

My sister is married to an alcoholic who is currently dry, but not in recovery.  I guess it was between that and the fact that 2 of my 3 drank WAY TOO MUCH (but then again, when I was with them, so did I) that made me decide to give Al-Anon a shot.  I had never actually tried to get anyone to quit drinking, I just tried to make them hold down a job, not get into too much trouble, come home on time and play house with me and make me feel like somebody loved me. 

Outside of Salt Lake City, Utah is still very in denial about addiction, and Al-Anon meetings are very hard to come by.  I was lucky enough to find one relatively close to where I live.  I really believe Al-Anon saved my life.  I have been attending 1 weekly meeting since February, sometimes there is only 1 or 2 of us, once I think we had a whopping 14!!!  I’m so grateful for the veteran members!!!  There are a couple of people that frequent my meeting and have been involved in recovery for close to 30 years.  In the beginning, it wasn’t so much the words they said that gave me comfort.  It was the ......(?peace, compassion, empathy, love, serenity, understanding?)  ... in their eyes and demeanor that kept me coming back.  They are wonderful people, try calling the numbers, if you can somehow get yourself to a meeting I hope it can give you some of the peace they have given me.  They don’t advise or tell me what to do, but they have helped me see choices and possibilities I never would have dreamed were there.

As far as step 2 goes, I had no problem with step 1 when I first came to Al-Anon, I had messed my life up so bad it was painfully obvious that it was unmanageable.  Then I hit step 2 and.....bam...brick wall.  I had some terrible things happen to me as a very young child, (not just daddy leaving, but I really prefer not to get into it) and by the time I had hit my early 20’s I had seen enough of the world to decide that the only thing that made sense was that there wasn’t a God.  So we have the step 2 dilemma.  I could see the peace and serenity in my fellow Al-Anon’s so I knew it must be true, so I start believing a little again and....bam....brick wall.  I’m really angry.  If there really is a God, how in the *&^%$ did he allow all that bad stuff to happen to little kids?  And, I AM THE GREAT FIXER!!!  If no one can fix it, then yes I can accept step 1, but wait, if you’re saying SOMEONE can fix it then that someone must be me!!!  Besides, I refuse to ask “you know who” for help now, if it’s in his power to help, then he should have helped me back then!!!  Wait a minute, calm down, think about this logically.  God doesn’t make sense and probably doesn’t exist anyway..... so who is going to restore me to sanity then?

Round and round.  Sigh.

Anyway, I finally broke down and kicked my social phobia in the butt and got myself a sponsor, (working the steps alone really blows.... just an opinion).  She suggested I just designate a chair as my higher power for now.  I can write what I want on a piece of paper and toss it into the chair, thus handing it over to my higher power. 

We aren’t alone.  Thank you again for your share.  It’s been a while since someone’s words have touched me so deeply.  I don’t have things figured out yet, but I do have hope.  I’m still not delusional enough to believe that I’ll ever have the hubby and the 2.3 kids, but I think I could be happy.  I’m working on getting my life a little more straightened out, first things first.  After working a crappy temp job for a few months, I just got a new job and I’ve moved out to a little apartment for me and my remaining doggy (my old feller passed away 2 mos ago, I’m so grateful I had caring Al-Anon friends to help me through it.)  I’m now putting renewed effort into working through the steps.  I’ve decided I don’t need to have kids of my own, I think once I feel I’m a little bit more stable and able to be better of an example, I would like to become involved in Alateen service.  Until then, I look forward to attending my meetings, reading/writing on this board and learning how to build and maintain happy, healthy relationships. 



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I think every relationship is 50/50 so the failure is 2 people not one side. 

Personally I learned to have codependent relationships as a child in order to survive.  I knew no boundaries.  I knew no security.  I knew only a kind of toxic love that involved physical and every other kind of abuse.  Consequently I did not have much idea what "healthy" was.  What was familiar was chaos.

After a lifetime of no boundaries, crises and chaos I found al anon and that has been a great help. So has therapy, books, sponsors and friendships.  Sometimes friends evolve into recovery, sometimes they don't.  I have stopped taking it personally.

I had relationships on a pedastel for a long long time.  I lived, ate and slept the state of my relationship.  I'd like one now but it isn't the only thing in my life.  I'm also willing to see the sign posts wheras before I was willfully negligent of that.  I see signposts in ways I would not see them before. Alcohol use is a sign post, drug use is a sign post.   I am willing to look at those sign posts now in ways I did not before.  I don't go too far beyond them anymore.

That being said codependency for me is far more than how I behave in a romantic relationship. Codependency seeped into everything and particularly at work I had trouble saying no, having boundaries and taking care of myself.  I settled for bad working conditons time after time.

Glad to be here.

 

 



-- Edited by orchidlover on Friday 30th of September 2011 11:08:12 AM

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Thanks to all of you for sharing your stories and suggestions. I think I am just crashing to rock bottom which seems to move lower every time I hit it. I don't even feel like getting out of bed. Having no one in my life is so totally new that I can really relate to not knowing how to live anymore. And not knowing "why" certain people choose not to be in my life...such as my kids...is making me bitter, angry and filled with hate. My life really is unmanageable. I don't even bother to feed my body. I have issues with "God", too, so I can totally relate to not understanding why He doesn't help or hasn't helped. The idea of using a chair was a good one and I think I will try something like that. I did see a group meeting close to me but I have to figure out how to get myself out of the house to it. I'm so disappointed because I tried very hard to break the cycle of codependency with my sons but I failed miserably. They are more dysfunctional than I ever believed they could be. At my age I feel that ever getting my life straight is a hopeless goal. I really need some support to pick myself up off the floor.
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((((Leandra)))) <----- that is a hug.

I believe in you.



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Hi "Willing"! Thank you dear, I really need all the hugs I can get. I was widowed 5 1/2 yrs. ago due to suicide and I have not hand anyone so much as shake my hand since then! I feel so touch deprived that it's not funny. And I don't mean that in a sexual manner but just the feeling of a hug or handshake or even a foot rub. It makes me feel like I'm living in a bubble. You are very supportive and I appreciate it!



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Leandra:  That is a pretty hard thing to come back from.  Be kind to yourself. Sending you lots of hugs and love.

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((((Leandra)))) That's the first "emoticon hug" I've ever given anyone. If you haven't seen the movie "The Legend of 1900," I highly recommend renting it. We all have beautiful music to share with the world, but we've got to get off the boat. You've taken the first step, you posted here. My sponsor tells me "Rome wasn't built in a day, and it took a long time to create the unmanageable place we are in. It won't be fixed in a day, but each day we can take steps to make it a little better." :)

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Thank you for the support. Yes it is a horrible thing to try to come back from and then having everyone in my family desert me soon afterwards. I feel like an empty shell waiting to die. Not suicidal...just so empty. 

Many hugs back to you!!!



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Adeline, I feel honored to have received your hug! I have not heard of that movie but I will look for it. I know things take time but I feel like I'm running out of time. I stressed over turning 30 for 3 yrs. beforehand. Turning 60 is just awful and so old!! I think I said before, that I'm feeling it more since my mom died at 85.9 ( 2 wks. bef. turning 86). I planned on living to be 103 like Jiminy Cricket from the 50's but it was easier to plan on when she was still going. Now I have what I perceive as a timeline in front of me. That's only 26 yrs. if I remain healthy. Plus I have 7 cats & 3 dogs that now, with no family, I am worried about leaving behind. I think I'm even codependent upon them!! I had no idea that I had never cut the umbilical cord with my mom. We were codep. & dysfunctional. 

Is it possible to have a sponsor without being in a group? I am practically housebound and don't know if I can get to meetings.

I need to speed up the building of Rome or it won't get done! love & hugs to you & everyone who has written to me!!



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I have 2 copies of Codependent No More. One I've had for years and years and years but never could get into it and the other a friend gave me this year. Do you all think it is really a helpful tool? I have the book and the workbook. I journal but most of it is bitching and whining which isn't really constructive. I have a hard time sticking to workbooks but maybe doing all that writing is a good thing? What do ya think? Is it a good place to start? My parents & grandparents were violent alcoholics...Italian families seem to always be violent. My sister lived with an alcoholic and kept demanding that he recover all the while she was sipping on her wine every night and had a cabinet full of liquor. He finally couldn't take it after 12 yrs. and shot himself in 2008 rather than be thrown out of the house he built for her. My 2nd husband never drank around me but 17 yrs. later has become an alcoholic. He was previously married to one before me, too. My late husband's father was a violent alcoholic. I am just amazed at how pervasive it is in my family & the people I've been married to. Even my oldest son became a serious weekend drunk then found his now wife and has become an arrogant exercise addict. All these people told me that I was sick! I have no addictions except to being dependent upon sig. others in my life...oh, and maybe choc. if I'm not careful. I could be addicted to worrying and trying to be helpful if that's possible.

You all have been the first people to actually help me feel like I'm not mentally ill and that there might be hope for me yet! I really do appreciate the support and loving friendship.

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Codependent No More was the first book I grabbed when the small thoughts of "This needs to change" came to my mind.  I didn't even know what Codependent meant.  I read it and saw my behavior so clearly.  I can't say whether it will help you, but I can tell you it catapulted me into the realization that no one is going to save me, no one is going to fix this, no one CAN fix this ... but me.  It also gave me the courage to start the process.  It didn't just tell me what was wrong, it gave me the initial tools I needed to get started in healing myself and having a better life.

This time around (3rd time through the book) I am seeing that I switched roles and became the Codependent enabler ... but I was still on the merry-go-round of codependency and that ride goes FAST and gets you so dizzy reality is a blur.

We are doing a book study here ... so if you need to take it slow you can.  Just do a chapter at a time.  Think about it, ask questions, share your feelings with us.   Even if you get to the end and don't think it had much to offer ... what have you got to lose? 

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Leandra,

One of my favorite pieces of Al-Anon literature is a little bookmark titled “Just for Today.”      “Just for today I will try to live through this day only, and not tackle all my problems at once.  I can do something for 12 hours that would appall me if I felt that I had to keep it up for a lifetime.”  It goes on and has several more “Just for today” suggestions.  My suggestion is to call a local Al-Anon representative and explain your situation, that you are interested in Al-Anon but aren’t quite ready to attend a meeting.  Maybe this person could drop a newcomer packet by, (double check with this person but the bookmark should be in it) or perhaps mail you one if it’s out of their way.  Perhaps you could also start up a e-mail friendship with someone close by as well, so that when you are ready to attend a meeting, the ice is already partially broken for you.
    I don’t know if Al-Anon is like this everywhere, but since where I live it is relatively small, the people that go are vastly different, and so are the problems that bring them there.  Yes, some are spouses of alcoholics, but some are addicts themselves that have been referred by another fellowship (AA, NA, OA, etc).  Some are not drinkers, are not married to drinkers, but were raised by an alcoholic parent and have found that it is still affecting their lives as adults.  Some have children who use, (Friday we had a newcomer who had recently lost a child to a heroin overdose, she has other children whom also have substance abuse problems).  No matter what brought us to Al-Anon though, we all have so much in common.  Before I went to Al-Anon I remember being in line at the grocery store and seeing two people chat, share a joke and laugh, or causally touch another’s arm and I wanted that so badly!!!  Closeness with another human being.    I was constantly hugging my dogs and even though they’re big boys, (my Rotti that has since passed was 90lbs and my Dobie is over 100lbs) it isn’t the same.  I wouldn’t call Al-Anon a “hug-fest”, but after a lot of meetings a few of us will hug.  Whether we do or not, even though I am single and live alone, I don’t find myself starved anymore for human intimacy. 
    Back to the bite-sized concepts, I also tend to get lost in the large works.  (I also have had “Codependent No More” for a long time and have started reading it several times.  I also plan to slowly read it and follow the chapter postings here.  I struggle with the steps too because I think like you do about that ticking clock and man I’m so messed up, this is going to take forever and I have to do something now because this is painful and I want it to stop the pain and I used to be able to handle things so much better but now it is painful and I can’t believe I allowed myself to get so sick and where do I start..........  STOP!

Breathe

    “Just for today I will try to live through this day only...”  I really like “One Day at a Time in Al-Anon” and “Courage to Change” books as well.  They have a small page with a thought for the day, much like lilmzsparkles’ Daily Meditations.  When we don’t have newcomers at my weekly meeting we use one of those as the topic for sharing.  The slogans are good too.  One of my favorites is “first things first”.  When I find my mind running away, out of control, I can use a slogan and repeat it over in my head and calm myself down.  The only way to climb Mt. Everest is to put one foot in front of the other and take it one step at a time.  Bite-sized concepts allow me to progress without being overwhelmed by the enormity of my concerns and problems.



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Boy can I relate to all of this. I always try to do everything all at once and I'm trying to invoke the 15 min. rule...doing one thing for 15 mins. and then move on. I have Fibromyalgia and if I even try to clean the entire house all at once then I'm laid up for 3 days with pain. Patience is not one of my virtues! I also bought into the "happily ever after" theory of the 60's. I keep looking for things in others that I can absorb and that will fix me. As you know it doesn't work. There really is no "happily ever after" and there is no white knight running to help me. Generally they run the other way since I have "baggage." I've been called smothering because in my world 2 life circles don't overlap they are supposed to merge. Ya know: your life, my life and our life...well, there is no my life for me so it is all your life and our life. I can't seem to be with anyone without trying to help fix their problems and spend all my time with them. I actually feel abandoned when a spouse wants to go out with friends and leave me home or goes to another room to watch a TV prog. that I don't want to watch rather than sit with me to watch mine.

Unfortunately, life doesn't wait for you to take one day at a time. You have to get up running & keep going all day while worrying about the rest of the week or month. Boy, I have a lot of issues to address!

Thanks for the help. I can truthfully say that I have no control over others and my life IS unmanageable!!

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thankyou john i just posted about what is going on with me and then this is the first post i read, just what i need to hear.............thankyou :)

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A beautiful post John, thank you. I find it very hard to let go of relationships even when I know in my head that the time has come to let them go. Abandonment is a huge issue for me and so I tend to cling on for far too long after it's healthy to do so.

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